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Stephanie Fessler v Watch Tower - Trial on Tuesday, Feb. 7, 2017 in Pennsylvania
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://avoidjw.org/2017/02/stephanie-fessler-v-watch-tower/.
stephanie fessler v watch tower.
stephanie fessler was brought up as a jehovah’s witness by her parents, jodee and kevin.
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cha ching
If these elders are held accountable, and have to pay money, or even serve jail time, who will want to be an elder??? -
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The handling of child abuse allegations
by Landy inthere's a lot of criticism surrounding the jw's handling of chiild abuse within their ranks with a lot of it being well deserved.
but i'm interested to know how people on here think child abuse allegations should be handled.
there's a few scenarios below, the first couple are easy then it gets a bit more complex.
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cha ching
When you involve "the congregation/ elders" you are in danger of being DFD for gossiping or whatever else they want to call it.
You have more chance of being DFD for being a victim than being a perpetual.
That should also be a crime.
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Do you think I should get something for my wife for her birthday?
by schnell inmy wife is still nominally in, but only because it "makes me (her) happy".
there is nothing academic about her beliefs and when i try, she interprets me as negative.. but then she cusses like a sailor and watches certain movies with me.
her birthday is coming up and it's also right around valentine's day.
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cha ching
Totally! a wrapped gift... hmmmm, Do you know her style in earrings?
and also, a gift of 'dancing lessons'? some thing you do together, that makes her say, "Hey, I like doing this better than going to meetings?" Plus it gets her brain out of 'meetingville', haha!
On the card, "Just because I love you"
Good luck, let us know how it goes!
cha ching
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maths
by pepperheart inon the front of the 2016 year book it says that the watchtower is spending $200 million us dollars a year on special pioners etc if they get $1 billion us dollars from selling all the buildings at bethel in new york by my mats that gives them another five years or so.what might happen after that ????
:-).
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cha ching
8 million JWs times $1 a month is $8,000,000 a month, times 12 months is $96 million a year.
$2.10 a month from 8 million JWs almost gives you $201,600,000 a year.
I know of at least two people so far who have willed their entire belongings, house included, to the WT. One house must have been worth at least $600,000, the other? at least $400,000. Plus their cars, jewelry, everything.
Plus, it seems like every 3 months or so the WT writes the congregation, "Do you think you could get your publishers to donate a few dollars for xxx fund?"
The WT has a cool racket going.
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UK: Paul Shields "abused girls after luring them with video games"
by darkspilver infyi from north-east england:.
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/johovahs-witness-abused-girls-after-12538877.
jehovah's witness abused girls after luring them with video games, court told.
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cha ching
However, if this person is a pedophile, he has most likely abused many others. Coming forward to the police and reporting the CRIME is the best thing a person can do. If Paul Shields has abused others, and they come forward and report the CRIME, then perhaps justice can be served.
Keeping it "in the congregation" no justice will be served. It is a CRIME, the elders are not police, judges or courts. It is a CRIME, and it must be reported.
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The handling of child abuse allegations
by Landy inthere's a lot of criticism surrounding the jw's handling of chiild abuse within their ranks with a lot of it being well deserved.
but i'm interested to know how people on here think child abuse allegations should be handled.
there's a few scenarios below, the first couple are easy then it gets a bit more complex.
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cha ching
Why is reporting to the police a valuable thing?
1. It protects other people from having the same thing happen to them... How? If Pedo assaults more than one child, a pattern is recorded. What if the Pedo does it in more than one city? The Police have a record, the person can then be arrested.
2. It protects "worldly" people. Instead of keeping it "in the org" the Pedo will have a harder time continuing his profession.That is why Peds are put on a list, and neighborhoods are warned when they move into them. It gives people a chance to protect themselves.
3. If it is reported to the police, you will sleep better, knowing you have done the right thing. Who knows what child you will have saved from a lifetime of trauma?
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New here..help greatly appreciated
by Confusedandangry inhi everyone i don't even know where to begin.
i recently saw leah remini's series on scientology thanks to my husband (semi-active jw) and i felt like my eyes were being opened for the 1st time in my adult life.
i felt shaken almost sick to my stomach with each episode i watched.
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cha ching
Yep, I am just going to say one more time...... "Don't tell people what you know" "Don't ask them questions" "Don't think that you can convince them with facts"
You will not win with facts.... You cannot use facts. Their brains are wired to turn off, they will shake, their eyes will roll, they will run.
All I told a friend was "I was teaching someone that the people from Sodom and Gomorrah would be resurrected, I asked the B.S. "Will they?" She replied, "no, the Bible says no" and I replied, "What does the paragraph say?" (I hated it when I said it, but I did anyway)
So I tell my friend, "a few months later, the Society changes the teaching to "No, Sodom & Gomorrah will NOT be resurrected" and that is not the first time they have changed their viewpoint... and that is NOT the light getting brighter, that is the light turning off and on and off and on"
My 'friend' shook, turned pale, backed up, and said, "You need to talk to the elders!!!!"
Now this was a fairly intelligent person, a "pioneer" that talked to 'worldly' people all the time out in service. She had to refute their "wrong ideas about the Bible" all the time. Why could she not answer me? What was so scary? If she had the truth, it should have been easy....
That is the part you must remember. JWs are trained to respond immediately in escape mode... in "Listen Obey & Be Blessed" mode..... right? They are like wild animals that see a human being, they go into panic mode and run!
That being said..... Do...... not..... think..... you.... can.... "explain" / "convince" or anything else....
Read this forum for a while before you decide to do anything. And breathe........ Let it sink in..... breathe..... Like others have said, their is no "undo button." Don't think you are smarter than the WT. They have experience... they know what they ARE doing, and what they HAVE done.
hugs, cha ching
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UK: Paul Shields "abused girls after luring them with video games"
by darkspilver infyi from north-east england:.
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/johovahs-witness-abused-girls-after-12538877.
jehovah's witness abused girls after luring them with video games, court told.
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cha ching
I am so glad that these women decided to come forward and have this man face the terrible actions and heavy memories he burdened them with.
Perhaps people don't realize how hard it is to face these events, especially after being mentally made to feel "it's wrong to sully Jehovah's name" or "we wouldn't want to bring reproach on the congregation".... all those subtle phrases and pressures that dwell in the back of all our minds... carefully planted, carefully grown, knowingly impregnated into our subconsciousness... with hopes of corrupting our consciences.... by the WT's years of finely honed experience.
Yes, it is great when people report these crimes, it helps, that is what they should do.... The WT knows this, the WT dreads this.... When police and courts and investigators are involved, the dark curtain of the WT gets taken apart, reality is discovered, justice has a chance.
For people who have been abused by predators, by pedophiles, by the sad systems that support them, I send my love, I send a hug, I send my understanding.
If only more would report. Perhaps...... perhaps.... this is the beginning.
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My families shunning has gone to a whole new level
by pale.emperor in8 months df'd.
loving a life of freedom.
however, my family are all shunning me.
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cha ching
Dear Pale Emperor, thx for posting this, and letting all know what it is like in JW world. As many others here have testified, they have experienced the same.
I will put my two cents in here too, and say my mother sounds a lot like yours. As Wing Commander, Toes Up and JustFine have noted, "having a dead child" is a way to get attention, get love, be noticed. That's what my mom is all about.
When my family was "in", she could brag how nice her daughter was, her kids, her elder son-in-law.... but now that we have left?..... her narcissistic self has no use for us, SHE is now better than us... something she craves, yet has never had.... to be 'on top.'
I agree with them all, cut her loose, and live... make her come back to you.
hugs, cha ching
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JW guilty on all accounts & bond revoked for sexual abuse in FL
by LevelThePlayingField inthis news article has a news video inside it straight from the station.
finally the judge doesn't hold back.. http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/jehovah-witness-teachers-aide-sex-scandal-guilty-on-all-counts.
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cha ching
Does anyone know if he was an MS or elder?.....